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47th ward Alderman Ameya Pawar, via Friends of Pawar.<\/p><\/div>\n

We talk a lot about beer politics here, but we don’t seem to discuss the politicians who influence our beer very much. I’ve been interested in why Lincoln Square, Ravenswood, North Center and the 47th ward seems to be the destination for new breweries, tap rooms, and distilleries like Begyle, Spiteful, Letherbee, the Half Acre taproom, stores like Bottles & Cans, upstarts along the Ravenswood line like 4Paws, as well as (comparatively) longtime residents like Metropolitan and Koval.<\/p>\n

We’ve spoken to our alderman, Ameya Pawar, in the past for Center Square Journal. But it was this tweet<\/a>, asking Three Floyd’s to give a shot to the neighborhood, that made us think that he’d be interesting to talk to about beer. (We’ll get to that Twitter outreach later.)<\/p>\n

What role does politics, and an Aldermanic office, play in opening a brewery? Or a tap room? Or a beer store? We wanted to ask.<\/p>\n

So we did.<\/p>\n

GDB: We’ve got a lot to discuss, but I’m quite interested right off the bat about what you guys had to do to get Half Acre into their tap room. You helped them get on of the first tavern licenses in the city in a while, right? Tell me about what went into that process.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Ameya Pawar:<\/strong> So, a lot of areas in the city have liquor license moratoriums, and they vary based on the kind of license. On some blocks, you might find a moratorium on package goods, or taverns, or sometimes both. And we had a lot of that in the ward.<\/p>\n

One thing that we\u2019re trying to do as we organize block clubs and community organizations and start to work with them on zoning decisions, we\u2019re also working with them on some of the policies related to liquor licenses. There are instances where we\u2019ve heard from restauranteurs or bar owners, where they’re saying we want to open an upscale establishment but it feels like the hoops that we have to jump through to get a moratorium lifted is just too much.<\/p>\n

On the other hand, those protections have also limited certain types of establishments to enter the ward. What I\u2019m trying to do is make sure we don\u2019t go with a one size fits all policy for the entire ward, but actually work with the community and work with them hand in hand as we make those kinds of decisions. So with Half Acre, we worked with the North Center Neighborhood Association and with the guys from Half Acre to make sure that people understood what the plan was, what they wanted to do, what their concept was, and I think the end result is great. People absolutely love the tap room.<\/p>\n

I think it\u2019s a win, win for everybody.<\/p>\n

GDB: That leads me to another question. Over the past decade or so, the neighborhood tavern culture has really been diminished in this city. Could something like that be on the way back, in your opinion, based on the experience with the tap room?<\/strong><\/p>\n

AP:<\/strong> It just depends on perspective. I know for a long time the neighborhood taverns were looked down on, and the sort of \u201ccorporate style\u201d establishments were in favor. I don\u2019t take sides, but one thing that I do think is important is some of the neighborhood taverns. We\u2019ve got G&L Fire Escape [in the ward], [which] is they\u2019re really supported by the community. People like them. So again, I try not to look at this as [favoring] one type of establishment over the other. We try to make sure we look at each individual establishment\u2019s owner, what they\u2019re proposing, what their concept is, go to the community and get their feedback, and make sure they\u2019re a good fit.<\/p>\n

Centro<\/a>, for example, was an establishment that we shut down 6 months after getting into office. They were supposed to be a restaurant\/bar, when in fact what they were a nightclub that happened to serve food. That wasn\u2019t a fit for our community – they weren\u2019t good neighbors. They were actually terrible neighbors. And we worked with he community to shut them down. That was the fastest closer that the city is aware of – six months, from start to finish.<\/p>\n

My point here is that we want to make sure that everything aligns. That the owners and their concept is a good fit with what the community is looking to support. If you get off on the wrong foot, everyone\u2019s looking at each other and staring each other down looking for problems. That\u2019s why I think community engagement on the front end with the prospective restaurateur or bar owner is important.<\/p>\n

GDB: You’ve been in office for a while now, and it seems like the area is opening a new brewery every 4 months or so at this point. What is it, do you think, about the ward, or the neighborhood, or about even the Ravenswood Corridor in specific, that attracts people?<\/strong><\/p>\n

AP:<\/strong> You\u2019ve got building stock that works. You\u2019ve got one of the busiest Metra stops on the entire line. We\u2019ve got a lot of Brown Line stops. This is a very transit friendly ward. I think that makes for an eclectic mix of folks that live in the area and I think that is great for people who are looking to buy craft beer. It kinda matches up really well.<\/p>\n

One of the things that we\u2019ve been trying to do is to go out and try to be proactive. If someone wants to open a brewery and we work with them to make sure they\u2019re out there in the community getting to know the community and make sure it\u2019s a good fit – Begyle, for example.<\/p>\n

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The initial community meeting at the Begyle space. Via Begyle’s Facebook page.<\/p><\/div>\n

I think initially when they presented their concept, people were really nervous about having a beer production facility near their homes. By the end of the community meeting, as people get to know each other, people were really excited about the prospect of having a brewery on their block. I think it worked out really well. I think that\u2019s why making sure you have your pulse on the community [is important] but also making sure that the entrepreneurs that are coming to your office – that you\u2019re linking them to the community on the front end. Because what you don\u2019t want to do is set up a situation where they\u2019re separate. We try to avoid that to the extent that we can, so people felt like they had a role.<\/p>\n

Ultimately it works out for the business, because people want to be a good neighbor to their business, and actually spend their dollars there. I think Begyle, they had a good experience working with the community and our office. So did Half Acre. And we\u2019ve made it clear to folks around the city that Lawrence Avenue – if you\u2019re interested, and you\u2019ve got a great concept, come talk to us. I think we\u2019ve tried to make sure we\u2019re out there, we\u2019re aggressive and recruiting the right kind of businesses.<\/p>\n

GDB: When you came into office, I’m assuming that brewery law was probably not your forte. Was there a learning curve for what your office could do to help facilitate brewers come to the ward? And what the office of Alderman can do to move that forward?<\/strong><\/p>\n

AP:<\/strong> The big thing that we\u2019ve discovered is that…well, normally there\u2019s a zoning change that\u2019s involved. One thing we did when we got in is we created a zoning advisory committee. What\u2019s good about the committee is that everyone lives in the ward, and a lot of people that have land use expertise and zoning expertise and practice in this area of City Hall also happen to live in the ward. So they know the ins and outs, they know the tricks of the trade, and they also know what to look for if someone is putting forward a proposal that doesn\u2019t make a whole lot of sense. So we\u2019ve got these folks that are advising my decisions, informing my decisions.<\/p>\n

So when we have people come in that want to put forward a concept, they vet it, I vet it, and then we have a conversation with the business owner to make sure that it\u2019s going to work for our community. Again, it goes back to Half Acre, right? So, a tap room sounds great. You\u2019ve got Bad Apple, you\u2019ve got Gannon\u2019s in the area.<\/p>\n

But a tap room means you need a tavern license, so people automatically feel like, \u201chey, it\u2019s a new tavern, it\u2019s totally unregulated, what are we going to do here.\u201d But we got the guys from Half Acre to go and meet with the North Center Neighborhood Association at a community meeting. And a lot of people already loved Half Acre. Once they heard about the concept, everyone was all on board. And then everything went smoothly. And if you go there now on any given night, I\u2019m sure you know this – they\u2019re packed. Every night that they\u2019re open.<\/p>\n

So, I think one thing that we\u2019ve learned, is the policy and the zoning piece – some of that just, you learn that over time. You know the right designation for the right amount of space for the right operation – you can learn all that stuff. But getting to understand what the community is willing to support and what they\u2019d like to see – that\u2019s the important piece.<\/p>\n

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GDB: I have to ask about the day where the Tribune published the piece about Three Floyds<\/a> and I don’t know if it was you or your staff sent this tweet<\/a> —<\/strong><\/p>\n

AP:<\/strong> Yeah, I sent them an email! I called their offices, and I said, \u201cI will personally give you a tour. Why don\u2019t you come on down.\u201d<\/p>\n

GDB: Was there any follow-up on their end from that? Or was it more done in the spirit of simple invitation?<\/strong><\/p>\n

AP:<\/strong> I just wanted to extend a welcome, and say if you\u2019re interested, we\u2019d love to have you. But there\u2019s some really cool concepts that are being thrown around in the ward. We\u2019re working with a couple businesses that want to open here along Lawrence Avenue, and in other areas of the ward, and they\u2019re still really conceptual, and the owner doesn\u2019t want to talk about it publicly, so I can\u2019t say anything about it just yet. But there\u2019s some really cool stuff, and a lot of really cool ideas being thrown around, so I\u2019m really excited about it.<\/p>\n

I mean, Andersonville is great. Lincoln Square is great. And now Lawrence Avenue can connect those two neighborhoods. And I think the Mariano\u2019s, and the LA Fitness, and the new housing that\u2019s going in in the Sears lot, coupled with the Streetscape, it\u2019s creating a lot of interest in the open spaces along Lawrence Avenue. I think you\u2019ll see some really cool stuff happening in the next 2-4 years on Lawrence.<\/p>\n

[At this point the Alderman confirms that we are talking about the spaces previously mentioned in this post<\/a>, referencing the property at Lawrence and Wolcott, and the old Chicago Ale House space. All attempts to ferret out any other additional information were met only with this:]<\/em><\/p>\n

AP:<\/strong> It\u2019ll be worth the wait, once you find out.<\/p>\n

GDB: I’m not sure if you’re much of a craft beer drinker, but do you have any personal favorites?<\/strong><\/p>\n

AP:<\/strong> I am, I love craft beer. What\u2019s cool about craft beer, is that…I remember, there was a show, it was on like, HDNet. It was like, \u201cThe Beer Guy?\u201d Do you remember that show?<\/p>\n

GDB: Are you talking about the Discovery Channel’s “Brew Masters?”<\/strong><\/p>\n

AP:<\/strong> No, this was like…7 years ago. I remember watching it, and they used to talk a lot about how beer, and craft beer, pairs better with food than most wines. And I remember watching this show, and thinking, \u201cThis is really cool.\u201d And I just started from there. I love IPA’s. I\u2019m always up for trying new IPA’s. Kristina Bozic has a great store in West Lakeview Liquors. I\u2019ll stop in and grab a beer there, or Bad Apple, and even [Mrs. Murphy and Sons] Irish Bistro has a great selection.<\/p>\n

GDB: Since you mention West Lakeview Liquors, that brings up Bottles and Cans. The owners seem to have been pretty pleased with the opening process [as mentioned in this Hail 2 the Ale piece<\/a>] – was that another example of the community engagement process that you mentioned?<\/strong><\/p>\n

AP:<\/strong> Exactly. Exactly. Bottles & Cans, again – in a stretch of North Center, where there was a moratorium. You know, and I think people were kind of nervous about lifting that moratorium, and what that might mean. Again, we went on the front end, we went out to the community.<\/p>\n

The owners went out, they actually live in the ward, they talk about what kind of stuff they want to carry – they\u2019re not going to be carrying highboys of…I don\u2019t know. Old English. They\u2019re not carrying 40’s. They\u2019re catering to a crowd that buys craft beers and high-end wines, and so people embraced that concept immediately. And they\u2019re doing well.<\/p>\n

Again, we get folks to come in and say, this is our pitch. This what we want to do in the ward. And we try to link them up with a community group in the area right away. I feel like people want to at least be a part of the conversation, and not feel like they go to a community meeting when it\u2019s a done deal. Because at that point, you\u2019re either saying \u201ceh, I guess I\u2019m okay with it\u201d or \u201cI absolutely hate it, and now I have to figure out what to do about it.\u201d<\/p>\n

If you\u2019re in on the front end of it, you might say, \u201cwell, I\u2019m not really sure about it, but I\u2019m glad you\u2019re coming to me on the front end, and we can talk through some of the issues.\u201d And it\u2019s not a done deal at that point. You can talk through the issues. Talk through hours. And not everyone is happy at the end of the day. But they feel like they were part of the process, and the process was honest.<\/p>\n

Brewers and brewpubs who wish to contact Alderman Pawar and give us more awesome stuff to drink right in our neighborhood, visit Chicago47.org<\/a>. This means you, Three Floyds.\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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